Monday, October 02, 2006

p.s. Hey. Hope you had good weekends. I went to that American Writers Festival I mentioned, intending to hit a lot of the events. But I went to see the Peter Sotos (interviewed by Bruce Benderson) event and wound up just hanging out with them and Laurence Viallet of Editions Desordres and crew, which was great. Bruce is an old friend, but I'd never spent time with Peter before, and he's a really nice guy. I also got to meet and talk to Gaspar Noe, who knows Peter, which was a thrill because, as you know, I'm a huge admirer of his films. So it was all good. I see there are 100+ comments today, yikes, so I'd best get to them, and I'll do the best I can. ** Math tinder, Yeah, Rob was pretty amazing, drool worthy, etc. I was a lucky guy. A few times I thought about how cool it would be to do a book of my polaroids. I used to take zillions of them. But I don't think my cool idea means much to the publishers who have to fork out the money to do a book of them. Not that I've made serious queries about. I'd like to. Maybe one of the hordes of lurkers here will be in a position to want to do it. Thanks. ** Lost child, Sure, following gut feelings is usually the best policy. The trick is separating your gut feeling from your fears and hopes. That's the tough part. And, yeah, I love polaroid color, even fading polaroid color. Bring back the polaroid camera. ** Tosh, Yeah, it was a nice cover, yeah? Thanks. It's the American edition from The SeaHorse Press. Actually, that book only ever came out in the States, though the actual novella later got crammed into the book 'Wrong.' Listen, on Americans' stupidity, it's so incredibly weird to live over here in the land of relatively high intelligence and decent powers of reasoning and watch Americans very, very, very, very, very slowly begin to maybe accept truths that are already obscured by cobwebs over here. Jesus Christ, it's weird. ** Jax, Oh, like I said, what I actually saw of the Festival was excellent. Huge attendance, apparently. Funny you mention assembling things. We're about to make the trek to IKEA for some bookshelves and stuff for this increasingly stuffed looking room of ours. I like becoming an assembly machine too. Very relaxing. ** Atheist, Sure, the sadness in The Beloveds posts is there, surely because I have no or very little contact with the Beloveds I've done tributes to so far. Being so intensely close to someone and then losing them is hard. Sure, you can interview me for your project, of course. It seems like you went through one of your dark nights of soul here this weekend, though you seem fairly sorted by the end. All I'll say/add is: (1) I honestly don't get the correlation between the JT Leroy thing and you/yours at all. Just seems like a total wrong detour. (2) Ethics: Trust yourself. (3) Write about what you know: Says who? I've thought that standard writing class rule was total bullshit since I was a kid. Write about what you want to know, period. (4) Otherwise, you seem like you're having a real ongoing war with yourself as to whether you want to write fiction. You've gotten and no doubt will continue to get nothing but support and praise here -- and I'm almost finished reading the novel finally -- but the battle is yours alone to win or lose. In my experience, the world is far more full of talented writers who quit writing than talented writers who continue. If you decide not to write fiction, if you lose the war, you'll be one of many, many people who had the talent but not the confidence, patience, fire, and belief. Shit happens. The world won't miss what it never knew existed. But maybe the challenge of being one of the rare people who win is a good reason to try? Or maybe not. It's your call. ** Cautivos, Your post made me sad and concerned. I wish there was something I could do to help. Is there? What happened to your writing project having to do with Ian Curtis? ** Statictick, Hey, cool, I'll go check my email. Thanks. You doing better, I hope? ** David ehrenstein, Gaddis/Compton-Burnett, a funny and very apt comparison. Maybe she's like an insanely anal retentive Gaddis. Yeah, the Foley thing is everywhere, at least in the media over here. And fallout on Hastert, o.a. Bring it on. ** Adjoun, Thanks for the kind mystery post-mortem. Has that guy cleaned your place yet? ** Sypha_69, No problem on your not wanting to read. I dig. If transport becomes available, it'd be great if you just want to come to an event and hang out, not that you're expected to do that either. What's the latest on your book? ** Maximum etc., Thanks. NYC, for sure. The support is actually growing for a Portland event, so that may well happen, especially if you're willing to read there. But, if not, a later dual event for your book and this one is a good idea. So, one way or another. I'll let you know the scoop. ** Perspects, I'll come to Detroit. 'Userlands' is the gun to my head or Spanish fly in my coffee or something, as it were. ** Nicholas, Check, thanks. ** T.pkendall, Thanks for agreeing to read in London. More importantly, awesome about your friend's success with the short film based on your short story. Can he put it on youtube so we can see it? And serious good news and good luck about the grant. A big toast to you. ** Bett, LA, maybe SF, cool, thanks. ** Michael karo, Wow, the button's cool. Thanks. Oh, err, his name is spelled 'Yury.' I want to see one of those buttons on the lapel of every university student in American by, oh, let's say Thursday. Get on it. There are a few more Beloveds in the pipe. ** C., Does cautivos respond to you? Is he okay? I'm a little worried. It's super good of you to talk to him. ** Antonio, That's a much better translation of that Genet poem than the one I read. It is a good poem, huh. Uh, oh, from what I glean, the amount of readers of this blog who don't post would curl your hair and maybe even button your lip. Mine too, so I try not to think about it. Maybe a 'lurkers, show yourselves' day would be interesting, though I don't think they would go for it anymore than aliens go for the 'Let's talk' morse code or whatever messages we send out into the universe. Maybe I'm wrong. Ace every test, man. I loved your Kurt poem. It was yours, right? It wasn't some lost Breton poem or anything? That wasn't the lost, newly rediscovered Robert Frost poem I just read on the aol news? Loved the kindergarten stanza the most maybe. Kudos. The guy in a picture with Yury a while back? At a museum? My guess: Jarrod Anderson, friend, artist, illustrator of Void's 'The Weaklings,' and, yes, hot. Am I right? ** Killer luka, Cadaverene? I'm there. ** Gregoryedwin, No Dennis dream that I've remembered. Would I know? We're nowhere near setting actual dates for the Userlanda events yet. Just gathering up the yeses and nos from potential readers. I'll let you know. Yeah, you gotta come to one of the events. Or else! ** Jose, Cool, NYC reading, right? Or Detroit? Abe Day: anticipatory yum. ** Vomitingghosts, I'm sure Bookworm would have had me on for 'God Jr.' had I been in the States, but it's too late now. You know, he might very well be into doing a 'Userlands' show. Hm. ** Robert-nyc, New poem, cool. I'll check it. Hoboken's not so bad, is it? It didn't used to be back when indie rock was like the air we breathed. ** Paradigm, There's no word limit on curated Days. Anything goes. Dividing your Day into two consecutive Days is absolutely fine too. Can't wait. ** Teenagekicks, Cool, re the NYC reading. Lovely Robert Musil quote. Now there's a day I should do: RMD? Any intererst, Mr. Ehrenstein? You're the dream candidate for that job. ** Joe mills, You're returning to us. I can feel it. Your eye porn was hot. Nice about the handwritten note from the BBC, but, like you said, their logic leaves a ton to be desired. You gonna send them 30 pages? ** Rigby101, Math already gave you the 101 answer. Her answer squares completely with mine. No thoughts whatsoever on a London venue. If you have any ideas, they'd be more than welcome. I've been half-thinking about Horse Hospital. Is that a good idea? Or an art gallery maybe? Thoughts? ** Tigersare, No prob on your boyfriend's shyness. I swear I'd probably do the same thing. I can be horribly shy. I don't know Until Death Comes, but I will. Re. Rob: Listen, I'm even jealous of my younger self, so I understand. Two things I'd dream to do: A Userlands-like art show featuring the artists here (in the works), and a Uselands-like compilation CD of the music artists here (in the brain pan). My devil face? First I heard of it. Uh, I think it's just a defense mechnamism. It's not something I practice or even realize I'm doing. In the Rob picture, who knows? ** Note: I just looked at the clock, and I'm going to have to speed up wildly. Apologies in advance to the later commenters. ** Josh feola, Excellent to see you. Okay, I'll hope our schedules will coincide so you can read in NYC. How was your LA/LACE experience overall? ** Samuelkidd, Hey. Yeah, Rob, hot he was. I'd like to think the answers to your questions are yes. My answers to your questions would be yes. Thanks for Hainley piece alert. He has a book of poems coming out that's incredible which I hope to be showcasing a bit of here in the near future. ** D., Sure, I've had that unsettling experience of realizing I wasn't the good guy in a break up with an ex- like I'd thought. Those are good moments, don't you think? ** Brooklyn serpico, Yeah, everyone's clinched their divisions now. We'll see. I'm sad about Detroit. Thanks, man. ** David c., I'll have LA tips tomorrow or Wednesday. Hope that's not too late. ** Okay, so sorry to rush towards the end. See you tomorrow.

70 Comments:

Blogger Lux said...

Dude.
Thats wild what was Gasper like? He likes your work right? Any talk of his new projects?

5:13 AM  
Blogger michael_karo said...

good lord! i was fiddling with the fonts for like a half hour (something i could do all day) on that button...you know that thing when you look at a word over and over for so long you could swear it's spelled wrong?

y-u-r-y, got it!

sorry, dennus :)

5:41 AM  
Blogger David Ehrenstein said...

Great Blanchot Day, Dennis!

I'd love to do a Musil Day sometime but at the moment I'm swamped.

meanwhile. . .

HERE'S FOLEY WITH ONE OF THE PAGES!

5:49 AM  
Blogger Atheist said...

god, irreversible is one of the most important films i've ever seen, i'm a huge huge fan ... wow!!!
PS dennis, thank you so, so much for the advice, it's lifted my spirits so much ... what you said was so encouraging and wonderful and kind ... but at the same time i'm not sure i like the fiction side of me, i just detest what i've written and i also don't like that i've become this self-obsessed needy person about it ... i don't know, i think i'm gonna just forget about it for a while and focus on other stuff and then maybe come back to it if i get the urge ... i just hate this side of me at the moment! but your advice means such a lot to me, it's funny that you said 'trust yourself' because that is the one thing my parents have always taught me (the old mantra 'to thine own self be true'). but it's just that i've always put such a lot of stock in personal integrity and then somehow i feel that i've been losing that recently in that i've been reflecting such a selfish and 'taking' side of me ... but then it's also felt good to have that space, and i've been telling paradigm that it's important to let ourselves be selfish at times, which is why he told me off for being a hypocrite yesterday! i don't know ... i'm procrastinating from work again! but thank you!!!!!!
PPS shit i've been spelling yury wrong all this time - sorry!

5:52 AM  
Blogger Paul Curran said...

This Blanchot post is excellent. What a way to start the week.

6:08 AM  
Blogger math t said...

oooo! Blanchot is one of those who has eternally been on my list but i have never picked up. gah so much to read so little time. i didn't know you held him in such high regard, Dennis. so ok: Death Sentence as soon as possible.

yeah i know absolutely nothing about raising the funds for a book, but about your Polaroids, it's obvious there's a market for a glossy book of well-taken Polaroids of cute boys, no matter who the photographer was. so yeah. with ref to 'bring back the Polaroid camera', they're still around and only like $40 new.

Polaroid USA
Polaroid France

your advice to 'write about what you want to know' is very illuminating in terms of your own writing. that's what i mean when i say i want my blog to be like yours when it grows up: i want to undertake the same kind of project to reveal myself on a daily basis. but for that to be meaningful, first i need to make a context like some art.

thanks again for doing something so quality on the internet. ha ha, i love that Blanchot has a well-written Wiki. do you ever edit Wiki, Dennis?

luv, math+

6:12 AM  
Blogger math t said...

hey nyc people, what do you think of the [relatively] new hot pink automat on St Marks?

xo, math+

6:31 AM  
Blogger Tosh said...

Blanchot day is much needed. Merci! I never seen a photograph of him. Kind of a dandy, no? Maybe because of the blonde hair - for some reason I always thought of him being very dark looking. Fascinating!

7:05 AM  
Blogger Jax said...

Oh Christ...someone else I've never heard of, whose work I'll probably never understand but whose right to exist I'll defend to the death:)

Man, you put so much work into these days, Dennis...

Good luck with yer Ikea shelves, I'm now resting on my assembled chest laurels and licking me blisters.

Can I echo Math's approval of the limitiations of that 'write what you know' thing, while also mentioning, in its defense, that if it serves to encourage even one tentative writer who ever felt what 'they knew' wasn't fit subject matter for 'writing', it's worth the dozens it puts off.

Who said that thing over the weekend about their mother, btw? Rigsby? Was it you? Man, I laughed at that, and also totally empathised. But mothers can be surprisingly insightful so never udnerestimate 'em - on the other hand, never write to please 'em or anyone else, for that matter, I think.

Also, tpkendal, way to go you! I didn't know Lynne Ramsay was teaching thse days - she given up making the films? I really need to watch something of hers other than 'Gasman', but both Ratcatcher and Morvern Caller received such accolades up here I was sorta put off, not wanting to be disappointed.

I'm sure you could make a fairly decent film for £100,000. Do keep us up to date with anything that coems from that, yes?

How's your mum doing btw, Dennis?

7:21 AM  
Blogger 5stringaphasia said...

Dennis,

What's up? Hey gang. Watched that movie Brick. Another stupid movie, but very exceptionally sexual. Thank you for Blanchot day. Take care

7:27 AM  
Blogger Atheist said...

PS dennis, are you gonna get a 'billy'? (i.e. ikea billy bookshelf)? ha ha i haven't met a single person without a billy - a billy is an essential in any house ...

7:31 AM  
Blogger jose said...

NYC Dennis, The thing thats always angered me the most about people I've met who think of themselves as writers is that they want to or are limited to writing about themselves in this very uniteresting theraputic way. Its like they want us all to read their diaries.

I need some time to serously study blanchot and develop a working principle on depersonalisation in writing and other art.

Depersonalisation, I've just discovered is also a fascinating psychological disorder.A sufferer feels that he or she has changed and the world has become less real -- it is vague, dreamlike, or lacking in significance. Sound familiar?

8:20 AM  
Blogger Atheist said...

ooh - i know this has probably been done already, but if it hasn't can we have a 'heroes' day? i.e. people (like your wonderful post today, dennis) that have really inspired us and shaped us? we wouldn't be allowed to have you, though - that would be exempt! we'd maybe put a bit about them and a pic and then say why they'd been important for us as people. for me it would be carl rogers without a doubt ... would anyone else be interested in a day like that? or has it already been done?

8:34 AM  
Blogger Atheist said...

Ha ha ha! Extract from the lecture I'm just writing for Thurs on qualitative research:

But while not every qualitative researcher necessarily wholeheartedly embraces these particular philosophical perspectives, it is true that qualitative research does tend to be preoccupied with particular interests and concerns.
These are:
1) The need to be able to see through someone else’s eyes, to walk in their shoes. Have any of you ever heard of the famous psychologist Carl Rogers? Well, he was a very influential psychologist in the 1960s, he came from a ‘humanist’ tradition and to cut down what he said to the basics he said that whenever we interact with someone we should always try to imagine what it’s like to be them, to really try to understand their internal logic and to effectively walk in their shoes. And this is a central preoccupation with qualitative research – in other words, the whole point of it is to try to understand the ideas and beliefs of others (for example, through talking to them in person) – it’s all about probing underneath surface appearances to uncover the various layers of meaning.
2) And this relates to a further point, for understanding meaning also means trying to understand the context within which people view the world in which they live. In fact, qualitative research isn’t just about language, it isn’t just about the text but is also about the context. This is all part of understanding people’s internal logic (whether they be individuals or a group of people). It’s only if we understand the context within which something takes place that we can understand the action or perception itself. So, for example, one of my favourite books ever is called ‘My Loose Thread’ by the author Dennis Cooper. It’s basically about how something like the Columbine shootings can happen, and the whole book is basically about setting out the context for that event (although it isn’t specifically based on Columbine). And I love it because it makes me be able to see and understand and even feel that internal logic. And in fact that's the whole rationale behind doing qualitative research – it’s about trying to understand not just where someone is know but also how they've got to that point.

BTW I don't actually read this stuff out - I always just write this stuff down so if I freeze then I've got something to say ... Though if I freeze I usually just piss myself laughing and then say something like 'WTF'?

9:21 AM  
Blogger Atheist said...

ha ha ha!! i can tell this is the first of MANY lectures with a Dennis Cooper theme!!!

9:25 AM  
Blogger Atheist said...

that should say 'where someone is now' not 'know' ... erk!

9:26 AM  
Blogger David C said...

Hi _DC tomorrow or Wednesday are fine - even up to Friday. Sunday is my leaving day. Hope your IKEA trip was successful - I find it both an interesting experience watching people shop but any time I want to get 'furniture' (including Billy) its potentially stressful and horrible.
But now my next minor crisis is what book(s) to take from London to LA and then LA to Auckland - we're talking 11 and 14 hour flights folks - any suggestions please...

9:37 AM  
Blogger David C said...

Oh, and although the food on Friday was absolutely delicious (French and vegetarian) and we were plied with wine (opting for wine by the glass to match the 6 courses and starting with a champagne aperitif I resisted the dark side and remain un'engaged'... for the meantime anyway.
(am hoping that the word verification saying idiwt isn't meant personally!)

9:39 AM  
Blogger adjoun said...

heroes day, hmmm...sounds very american ;-)

9:49 AM  
Blogger Atheist said...

well i'm english but i still have my heroes ... if not superheroes (though i am partial to darth aka hayden of course!)

9:57 AM  
Blogger math t said...

__jax oh, just to clarify, i actually feel pretty totally neutral about whether or not anyone should 'write what they know', myself. i just thought Dennis' particular 'opposition', or different take, was really illuminating in terms of his own writing. a new window onto it for me.

xo, math+

9:57 AM  
Blogger Christopher Michael Stamm said...

Thanks for this great Blanchot day. Death Sentence mystified and thrashed me--I wasn't the same for a few days after. Only Beckett can make me feel as confused and perplexed about being a reader and a living thing.

So a couple weeks ago I told a story about meeting Matthew Stadler and having this blog to thank because it was from a picture posted here that I recognized him. Well the story continues: I'm now taking a class that he's teaching here in Portland. It's called Using Global Media. It starts today. I'm pretty excited. As one of its foci will be web communitites, I'm tickled that my path to the class started here--my favorite ethereal collective.

CMS

10:04 AM  
Blogger adjoun said...

superheroes day! yes, that's sounds much more interesting! excellent idea!

10:06 AM  
Blogger statictick said...

I'm not sure "write what you know" is a bad idea. I agree that the writer should remove him/herself with whatever disappearing acts are needed to do that; but there's no avoiding self-exposure. I DO like "write what you want to know" better. I try to strike a balance I'm not sure I've achieved yet: yeah, sound like you, be "that" you, then go ahead and dig, digger.

I get some responses to my fiction that are from people who believe that every single gesture in the writing is real, when it's clearly not.

Athiest: not having read any of your stuff, maybe this will help anyway...don't presuppose your ability, how it reads to others, or much else. The purity of your intention will guide, if not outweigh, the work.

10:15 AM  
Blogger Atheist said...

statistick, thank you!! i'd love to read some of your fiction - do you think i could get my hands on it somehow?
PS god i'm so cross with myself for deleting my entire blog yesterday - what a HAIR DORKUS (to use my 'safe word', thanks rigby!) i'm going to try to put some of it back on there (well, the stuff i've got in Word anyway). i'm going to have to stop having these bizarre stress-outs i think!

11:22 AM  
Blogger hedi said...

Blanchot day is really amazing. I read some parts of "The writing of desaster" everyday, and laboring over "The infinite conversation" will probably last for the rest of my life. I have missed the blog, I have been away, I am not entirely sure where.

11:49 AM  
Blogger Nikolas said...

Jose,

Yeh, Depersonalisation disorder...I learnt about that too recently, having experienced various permutations of that state in light of recent...internal fluctuation...most of which has subsided now, it actually feels as though you're inside a nouveau roman novel...or is like a baseline zen nihilism....anyway, sorry I've not gotten back with extended thoughts on your SH project yet, I've had less than zero time to attend to anything I want to... Soon, anyway, hugs and kudos to you.

Dennis, hey, man, had the parents down this weekend, all good fun, except for my auntie getting chucked out of a rough-as-shit leather bar for incensing the bouncers... I figure her and Mavis Purvis could have glorious bitchfights... A Userlands CD? Well, that'd be delectable, non? Apparently all of my seven albums have been made available online, odd, but I'm not too concerned...at least people are listening to it...plus it's too late to do anything about it now...

How's tricks dear Dennis? Excellent you finally got to meet Gaspar. He's a fan of your work too, right?

Take it easy famile,

Ncixk..x

12:28 PM  
Blogger joe mills said...

Good prog on Irvine Welsh last night. Very articulate as always. I think,DC, he shares some aspects with you - the mad, rushing (yet almost slow-motion),violent (yet clear-eyed violent) passages (say the murder scene in Frisk). Says he writes the first draft very quickly and gets almost 'transcendental'. Then he looks at it and thinks "Christ where did all that come from." But this ties in with 'Write what you know.' It's sometimes easier to really 'get into the head' of someone you have nothing (or little) in common with. I mean I think it would so interesting to write a homophobic character (write about what you want to know).

Kingsley Amis once forbade his publishers to put out a book he wrote about a middle-aged gay man because he thought he'd done it so well everybody would think he was gay.

Welsh's books sounds interesting - about a 24ish alky who hates and bullies a 16 year old, angelic type - and as Welsh says:"The amount of energy and attention you have to put in to actually hating someone is almost like love." One of Welsh's great imaginative things is that the 24 puts a curse on the 16 so that the 16 gets all the hangovers and sicknesses that the 24's behaviour entails. Nice scene where the (Christian I think) 16 has tied his right hand to the bed because the 24 is watching all these girls on the street and the 16 is geting harder and harder...

And yet Welsh gets piloried by the reviewers. Especially the Scottish ones - what is it about the Scots? I was totally astonished that my book got reviewed at all but more astonished at the vileness of the reviews:"One wants to be sympathetic to this book."
And Welsh get's the same patronising stuff from middle-class losers who're pissed off that a working class guy who hasn't ditched his childhood accent has made more money than they will ever see in their life!

On the mother thing - I thought my book would come out on a small gay press and nobody but 'us' would see it. Then Polygon puts it out and my brother takes my parents and cousins a copy in a small Lanarkshire town which is like the Village of the Damned - everybody instantly knows everything. So I'm sitting at family get togethers with huge hairy miners going - 'Oh I liked your book Joe!'
Oh my God! The thought of them or my mother reading something like
'I was rubbing away wildly at myself and moved closer to Pat so that I could smell the denim,the sweat and the blondness' was mortifying.

Still, even if I'd known my mother - or anybody else - was going to read anything - I'de still do it. If you imagine these people standing over you're shoulder as you write you'll never do anything. Got to be ruthless.

Who was it said:

"All writers have a splinter of ice in their hearts."

1:21 PM  
Blogger c said...

depersonalization don't know i don't think i have depersonalization the world doesn't seem unreal it seems very real to me very very real and scary and real and reality seems very scary to me too everything that has to do with the external parts of things seems very scary the world is the monster under my bed

cautivos no i don't know if he reads sometimes i feel like talking to him like throwing a bottled message into the sea and hoping it reaches who it should reach but maybt it does reach him and so i throw it hoping

he concerns me too i think of him so beautiful and alone and thinking death is some kind of beautiful boy with white wings on his ankles fast and lucid light death is a sybarite come to take him away from things on a bed of grapes and i just think of stinking bodies and how unromantic my chicken looks when i've left it too long in my refrigerator and think i'm going to be that chicken and nobody is even going to eat me i mean sure maybe maggots are nice maybe they have wonderful personalities maybe they are great but to be a little more than maggot gerber would be maybe nice so i tell him don't romaticize death i try to be the un-cupid and say how death beats his boyfriends and death has halitosis and death has a limp dick he takes out on you and how death hates handsexuals and how death is not ready for him at all you know because for a boy like him it's all true
later maybe when he's tired and his bones are tired and his time is done then death is comforting and understanding and the pretty beautiful boy who listens and holds you know but before that death is mel gibson and mickey rourke

ok cautivos? que no hay nada tan contrario como el insistir

ok
c.

1:32 PM  
Blogger t.pkendall said...

this blanchot day was too good.

its weird writing and imagining it have any affect outside of the process of doing it. I mean I was brought up a jehovahs witness for like seventeen years...got baptised and everything and then lrft. I think if i ever got anywhere i'd get disfellowshipped and my family wouldn't be allowed to see me.
is the writing worth that? at the moment its not...its no good..its fucking shit mostly. But i have to i think. tired and all fucked up and fell down a bunch of stairs cos I was drunk last night.
Been reading a book of kathy ackers letters...I wish id known her.
fuck C. you're so beautiful I get jealous so bad and its like sometimes i come on here and read everyones stuff and I jsut feel so ugly amd mean.

ugly rambling. no one listen to this...my brains fuckign ruined. nikolas email me ok?

2:08 PM  
Blogger Atheist said...

hey t.p.kendall, you having a HAIR DORKUS moment too? you're not ugly and mean, you're just expressing what everyone else feels, ok sweetness? and your writing being 'shit'?? oh my god - what planet are you from?? have you READ it?? it's amazing!!!!

2:23 PM  
Blogger Atheist said...

seriously, that stuff on your blog ... fuck i wish i could think of some good adjectives! guys, just read it for yourselves ... it's truly something.

2:24 PM  
Blogger Atheist said...

p.s. joeM ha ha ha! fuck that is the thing that scares me the most in the world ... but i don't reckon your mum would have been shocked at that, not if it's just about rubbing yourself ; -) seriously, i don't think that's embarrassing at all.
PS but now i've been pissing myself laughing about embarrassing parent-related stories. like my brother told my friend pete who then told me about this one time he was having a wank in the bath and he could hear my dad going up into the loft. and then after he realised that THERE'S A WINDOW AT THE TOP OF THE BATHROOM DOOR so my dad could not have FAILED to see everything! ha ha ha!!!! plus did any of the brits here ever see the 'mary whitehouse experience' when it was on years ago? well it wasn't that funny that often but rob newman made me nearly die with laughing this one time cos he was saying about when he was a teenager having a wank in his bedroom with his eyes shut ... and then when he woke up there was a CUP OF TEA BY THE BED ... HA HA HA!!!
PPS seriously, joeM, i think your mum will be really proud you'll have written lots of brilliant books!

2:35 PM  
Blogger Atheist said...

i meant when he opened his eyes ... doofus! (or dorkus! hair dorkus!)

2:36 PM  
Blogger David Saä Viccenzo said...

Dennis, I have found one editorial that show it interested in the piece to Teather: "Meat of Patent Leather" in Murcia, Spain. (The piece inspired about you and Yury). I´ll write you a private mail. Love and respect to you all.


-White Oleander-

3:13 PM  
Blogger c said...

tpk no
when you asked what you asked
i thought say no
no no no i'll crush his words underfoot a beast
then i thought he will think no means no and doesn't mean i don't want to ruin with me being a beast how to explain
so without breathing i took your words and tried not to ruin and you said it was what you liked and you thought i did not ruin and i was so happy because you see me and do not mind you saw me your kindness saw me so no worry no ugliness all you see me is just you i see you too

3:29 PM  
Blogger joe mills said...

tp - my father was a Jehova's witness. Well he was Protestant when we were brought up, and my mother (died last year by the way -84)Catholic.We (my brother and I) were brought up Catholic - my mother was shunned by my grandfather, used to write letters like this:'Dear Mrs Mills'. Catholix -doncha just love their Christian Love?

Gradually we realised my father was JW - but he kept it to himself, just going round the doors and that, never tried to convert us (he would never dare, knowing my mother).

I asked about the gay thing and he said it was OK - but one night when we were staying there he came in when me and my boyfriend were in bed and said "You know there's another bed in the other room."

Now we were in a very small bed and whether or not this was some - 'Get separate beds you Godless queers' thing or whether he just wanted us to be more comfortable is one of those questions people with dead parents wish they had asked them while they were alive...

Could have been worse - one ex of mine had an alcoholic Polish Catholic (he was adopted) father, who would come in drunk at night and bang on our door "Animals do it like that!Animals !"

Oh atheist, 'rubbing away at it' is the least of it in Towards the End...(Actually now I think of it there's only 3 sex scenes - and none of Cooperesque proportions - remember it's a gay Mills and Boon).

I remember that Mary Whitehouse wank story - best ever. The cup of tea. How English!I bet they never said a word to each other.

I think women would be amazed at the amount of wanking men do - some days I think my hand is glued to my dick!

3:35 PM  
Blogger lost child said...

Dennis
the gut the feeling..and to separe the hope and the fear..
what a good advice
Blanchot sounds like some one I could love and learn lots of ...from
I still feeling a bit confused
guts and realities and then changes
that go from day to dark nite
separation
part
a part..
sign
in a book of notes..
a fake phone number
a heart a cross X over the heart and an arm with an arch...and an arrow..
what's left of an encounter
from wich I felt
taken over
by
forces
and then trying to stop..or control..
a twist of fate..
too much intimacy?
not for me
but for him it was
he never told me his real name
he has left me
and that remids me of your beloved
tears
at been dropped once used
my guts where telling me all was ok
the actions have been deceptive
still waiting for the imposible to be posible..
Hedi!!
how nice to see you round the blog

4:20 PM  
Blogger SYpHA_69 said...

Well, maybe I could make the NYC event, but I can't promise anything. Is Boston being considered for "Userlands"?

Thanks for asking about the book... I just got the "proofs" last Friday. It seems I have until Oct. 13 to read it through and send them a list of corrections. I'm allowed 50 free ones, then you have to pay for more (I guess ones that they make are free of charge to fix). I only have about 5 chapters left to go and so far I've seen about 32. One of my online friends is a proofreader in real life as a job, so he's reading it also (I'm sending him one of the free copies I get as a thank you). I figure between him and me reading it, we should find most of the major errors, but man oh man, is it boring. This is the 4th time I've read the book since July, and I'm getting sick of re-reading the same stuff over and over again. Don't get me wrong, I actually enjoy reading my own stuff, but on a limited basis... It's not something I'd want to do every day, or even every few months for that matter! Anyhoo, after I submit the list of corrections, they'll fix them, then publish the book.

Do you want me to send you a copy? I'll be getting 10 free copies, one of which I'm keeping for myself, 4-5 I'm giving to family members, the rest to online friends. You said you'd pimp the book on your blog, but it would probably be best if you read it before you did that... I'd hate to have you pimp something that you haven't even read yet.

4:43 PM  
Blogger antonio said...

blanchot looks terrific!! i wish i had read stuff by him. i will put him on my xmas list, i think! wow. death. man dennis do you embrace that which is 'being abject'?
not really dont answer that.

derrida is looking so gay in that foto. i love it. man why are all of those philosophers totally hot in a really scary way? i love michel's b.f. skinner glasses!!

what do you dudes here think about 'new sincerity'?

why is joan didion tearing my heart out of my FACE!?
and THE YEAR OF MAGICAL THINKING is such a brilliant title...

joan is so ridiculously skinny. how does she do it? i would become that skinny. but im sure i would probably be dizzy all the time..

thanks dennis!! i tried with all my heart to write a good kurt-poem!

i found a great scarf in the garbage today kids!!!!! it's the most threadbare little yellowed scarf that's soo so brittle with tiny little 50's looking imprinted flowers on it!! i think my friend was appalled when i took it out and immediately wrapped it around me neck.. is that gross? anyways its really nice. perfect for fall and pretending that i'm lord byron and everyone else is mary shelley.. and we're also in a ken russell film.

man DENNISRON! i think the LURKERS ANONYMOUS day could work!! if they were completely guaranteed their anonymity. invisible invisible invisible.

dennis i found the dude!!! if i continuusly search for keywords and shit on GOOGLE your blog eventually gives me things!! his name is umm antoine.. anyways he was hot.. im not sure if he is anymore tho.. cause sometimes my memories LIE to me.. bastards.. he is nice to see though.. mm antoine.. the french version of antonio.. providence..

4:47 PM  
Blogger David Ehrenstein said...

I thought Derrida was gay too, Antonio (because of The Post Card). But maybe he was Bi. In Kirby Dick's great documentary Derrida you get to meet the very charming Mrs.Derrida -- who's always reminding "Jackie" of what he needs to do that day.

Hey I thought Kingsley Amis was gay anyway. Everything he writes screams "Big Ol' Fuckin' Closet Case!"

What's deceptive about Blanchot is that his recits are so short you can read them in one sitting. But they're not at all easy to digest, and you'll find yourself comeing back to them repeatedly.

4:55 PM  
Blogger paradigm said...

hey dennis, great day! this took me back a couple of years to uni. hanging out in the library reading all the big french. constructing intellectual fights in my mind, pro wrestling french academia style. deleuze and guatarri as one tag team vs lacan and satre. derrida vs foucault. and so on so. i used to do it with irigray and cixous as well. geeky yeah but fun. like how i would imagine each german philosopher as an object. heidegger is a vortex. neitzsche is a vacuum. i think i just have wierd visual and spatial ways of understanding these philosophers. does anyone else remember people/ philosphers in weird ways?

blanchot though is brillant. i often read a lot of the french theorists as the written equivalent of jazz. language is the key play and they're just writing different mediations on that. well blanchot and derrida at least. d+g are more just taking you on a strange trip through history linking all this dots into one narrative and as for foucault he's ripping open the past to let you know how that influences and holds the present (and future) together. god i haven't read any of this stuff in a couple of years and yet it's all coming back.

re: the day. i'll take up the offer of two consecutive days that way everyone can read it and get a good overview and understanding of the history before looking at how this is handle in contemporary ways. besides a day all about cave paintings like the first day will be deserves it's own time to appreciate it. i'm going to go work on it now.

5:06 PM  
Blogger paradigm said...

antonio yesterday i found the best braclet on the ground red plastic with white wool and the week before that i found the best jumper on the street a striped bumble bee top and a month before that i found a scarf and a helmet and a bag i'm forever picking up things from the ground and outside salvos becos hey we're all bower birds right and the cities the greatest artificial bower bird

d.e maybe derrida was textual homoerotic since he mainly deconstructed male writing and the inherent flaws and contradictory logic. who knows. i get the impression that he would have found sex hard and that everything was language struggling against each other not like focuault who was all about the violence and powers of bodies (personal and state). shit i feel a long theory argument and discussion and showing off coming along.eeeeeeeeeeeekkkkkkkkk!

5:18 PM  
Blogger rigby101 said...

EXCELLENT! terrific teriffic day..
interesting about davis.. i was sure he'd atleast meet her
Death Sentence is one of my all time favourites too.. definetly in my top 5 desert island books
yes i was thinking horse hospital too.. or there is calders bookshop.. they have regular readings or mcnasties bar they have readings/music events there yoo.

5:46 PM  
Blogger 5stringaphasia said...

I love biologists. You're nothing but DNA machines. Your brain is 90% associative. You're trippin'...
Dennis Cooper born silver-spoon California. Dennis Cooper born writer. Art is long. Barrel of monkeys...

5:53 PM  
Blogger math t said...

'art is long'! brilliant!

6:45 PM  
Blogger antonio said...

david, you liked that film!? i sorta fell asleep during it so many times and also.. hated it.. sad..
anyways YEAH! Mrs Derrida! i think i vaguely remember her being very matronly and with like a big sweater or something

PARADIGM! FOR REALS!! i also have a great bumblebee mohair sweater too!!! i love it.. its vintage seditionaries!! its one of my treasures

i rarely find anything great on the sidewalk.. i once found a FANTASTIC shirt on the sidewalk in the east village!!! its a black military shirt with giant buttons but it has the CRAZIEST paint drips on it.. not really DRIPS.. more like a light mist that resembles an abstract galaxy!! i have NO idea how it got on this military shirt too!! because the paint doesnt rub off the buttons.. but that would suggest that the paint was a thicker type of permanent pigment when it got sprayed onto the shirt, right? but i cant explain the delicacy of the mist in relation to the hypothetically thick paint that created it.. and also the pigment doesnt lie ONTOP of the fabric, it has somehow engrained itself into the very weave of the cotton!! anyways.. i LOVE this shirt.. although i also put it on IMMEDIATELY as i found it on the street!! *yeah people stared at me like a crazy person again* and it made my skin feel cold!!!! which REALLY scared me into thinking the pigment on the shirt was some sort of chemical.... but since ive washed it and had it for a year and a half already it hasnt made my skin feel weird... i think i was paranoid anyways.. but i love it now fur immer..

but about a week ago i found the BEST BEST BEST BEST BEST military jacket at the thrift store!! its a kneelength olive trench with gold buttons and the CINCHIEST belt EVER!! i LOVE IT SO MUCH.. im wearing it to my art/noise/performance on Friday the 13th!!!

my friend max tho CONSTANTLY finds AMAZING stuff on the sidewalk! like repro Louis XV desks (which he gave to me!) and crazy printed sweaters and jackets and things!!! one time he even found a small wooden plaque portrait of JAMES DEAN which he made into a giant necklace... sorta like those old skool hip hop CLOCK necklaces, except a wooden cutout oil portrait of JAMES DEAN.. hmm i miss max.. beloved..

anyways.. yeah clothes.. at the moment im going through a hutterite phase.. i wake up every morning PLANNING to be fantastic and wear this and that.. but before i walk out the door i immediately change into black pants.. some type of flannel.. and a black blazer.. it's SICK.. ive worn the same outfit for about 8 days straight already.. but i can proudly proclaim that i SO STILL smell mm tasty! or like my friend emily told me this morning, when i had her check my pits "you smell like my garden".. and thats really all that matters

man clothes.. not even a joke..

man, i wonder what FUCKKING derrida would have been like.. maybe thats the reason he never had kids.. i really like alot of SCARY dirty talk during sex.. i dont think derrida would have gotten that.. he would have been like "WHAT DOES THAT MEAN!!?" although i TOTALLY think that sex with Sartre would be TERRIFIC!!! sartre would be so scared of nothingness and wasting life that he probably would fuck HARDCORE!! like some serious raping shit.. godbless sartre..

as for foucault and fucking.... need i explain?

7:04 PM  
Blogger E. D. said...

Dennis & Co:

Yeah, I guess those moments when you realize how fucked up you've been to someone you care about are good, but they're kind of terrifying. It's weird how today with email and video and photographs we can see how things actually happened.

Do you remember that scene in Lost Highway when the Bill Pullman character is asked why he doesn't like video cameras and he says "I like to remember things my own way - not necessarily the way they happened."

I think it's getting harder and harder to do that. But I'm not sure if that's a good or bad thing.

ANTONIO:
I LOVE Joan Didion! Surely, you've read Play it As it Lays? It's brilliant. There's also a fantastic film adaptation starring Tuesday Weld and Anthony Perkins (!), directed by Frank Perry (who directed Mommie Dearest (double !). Didion herself doesn't think much of the film, but I think it's actually really good, and Perkins and Weld give really beautiful performances.

MATH TINDER:
I've seen that automat. I was totally weirded out by it. Part of me kind of likes it, but it's such a gimmick. It won't last long, I'm sure.

GREGORYEDWIN:
I was totally taken with the ads for Dexter, but sadly I don't have Showtime either. But I'll watch pretty much anything about serial killers.


On another note, who's seen Shortbus, John Cameron Mitchell's new film? It should be opening in select cities this month. Go see it!

7:13 PM  
Blogger paradigm said...

SATRE and raping shit! that cracks me up. i know some feminist who would have a field day with that considering that they thik satres such a misgonistic prick

derrida would so get really semantic on you analysing when fucking begun and when it ends...ah

and yeah opp shopping is great. picked up a pair of practicaly brand new timberlands for $8 yesterday and also some of the best loudest shirts and tops it's so fucken great. i love picking up clothes and then seeing peoples reaction when you say oh i just picked it up off the street. i once went to a restuarant with my brother with a bike helmet. it was kinda posh yuppish but real nice vitenamese restuarant and i was really getting off on knowing that i'd was wearing a jumper from the side walk and an umbrella and bike helmet i'd just found. ah i'm sick hahahahaa we so should have a piece found clothes day! ok i'm proscrataning from finsihing the indigenous art day.

7:15 PM  
Blogger garrison said...

DENNIS:

Gasper Noe... interesting.

You know, I'm not easily offended, but I couldn't help but feel a weird sort of homophobic vibe from IRREVERSIBLE. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against being able to portray gays as capable of being just as fucked up as straights or whatever, but man that movie was a little weird for me. Maybe it was the audience I was watching it with (in Tallahassee, Florida!). Or maybe it was just the weird sort of thematic thread I saw in the movie, highlighting the destruction of the "straight" couple and their "baby" as being the ultimate tragedy. Their downfall, of course, connected to the seedy gay underground. As time has passed, I have looked at the film a bit differently, trying to see Noe's other points, and I'm still quite in awe of that opening tracking shot and backwards credits thing, and the infamous rape scene is SO VERY REALISTIC and worthy of being canonized. I guess it was just the character archtypes I had a problem with... hmmm... your thoughts, Dennis? I imagine you may have had several attacks on your own work that were similar to the kind IRREVERSIBLE'S critics were partial to.

Regardless, Gasper Noe is a vividly talented filmmaker. Any true film lover couldn't deny such an assumption. I'm curious, what is his particular sexuality? Anyone know? Has he ever stated in an interview his particular reason for setting the film's DARKEST locales in the underground, s&m gay scene (and why he chose to juxtapose that against the "ethereal" representation of motherhood and heterosexuality that closes out the film?

All right, I'm outta here. Thanks for listening!

Regards,
garrison

PS - Please, no one get me wrong. I rarely, if ever, get offended by other people's art. I'm just being honest, and I'm open to be swayed. I just need it all articulated. Also, I'm a huge proponent of free speech and fully support Noe to make whatever kind of film he wants, especially when he's got so much talent!

7:20 PM  
Blogger robert-nyc said...

dennis, no, Hoboken is not the worst place ever, but it is chock full of meatheads and today yuppies. I hadn't been there in years, and now I've discovered that all these fancy pants areas have been built up with lovely shops and delightful nightlife spots and resteraunts where the locals can hang out while viewing the Manhattan skyline and the Hudson River. It was bizarre when I recall the $5.00 parking lots of my youth that once existed in these new built-up areas. We'd park there at times and then take the PATH train in. Maxwell's was still kind of a happening place though; it never seems to change. A very loud Japanese thrash band played after my friend's husband's band were done playing. I couldn't listen or watch too long. Too god damn loud for me.

As for the depersonalization in writing conversation, writers take from his or her life but most simply use experience to expand upon or re-create for some type of effect, some aesthetic movement. It's life any way you put it, why does it matter how much is autobiographical or not. It's really how well it is done. That's my two cents on that conversation.

7:32 PM  
Blogger David Ehrenstein said...

I've seen Shortbus and it's the picture of the year!!!!

Maybe you were tired that day Antonio. I love all of Kirby's films. So smart. Such a BABE.

Such a damned shame he's straight.

7:56 PM  
Blogger paradigm said...

garrison, interesting analysis of irreversible. i can see your critique. i think noes point is the worship of destruction and alienation as just destruction and alienation is ultimately shallow. (i stand alone has a similar theme i think.) the worshipping of the 'mother' at the end is the need for a nurturing relationship rather than one hell bent on destroy anothers life and with it there own. i think that the scene with the head being beaten at the s&m club and the rape highlight the senseless and destructive nature of violence. also there's the whole not being able to accept yourself and the violence and unrest that can cause.

yeah placing it at the s&m club is interesting but i think that there's a two way critique there. i don't know whether noe is saying that the two worlds shouldn't exist together that they should be separate from each other and that if you just walk into those worlds then like natural order or something than things are likely to fuck up. i don't know how articulate i'm being. all this is coming to my head as i type and i can often go off on tangents. i think though that all are there and i think noe will probably never answer the questions because then it would ruin the point of the art.

7:59 PM  
Blogger math t said...

also! art is short!

8:02 PM  
Blogger michael_karo said...

i got a nifty little spam poem in an email today. the line breaks are mine:

"dear, welcome.

I would stand to greet you, but only with difficulty.

dream about their sounds for years. In my nightmares.

So take the logic.

They are building a sort of bandstand

and the word has gone"

8:11 PM  
Blogger math t said...

__Michael K, great shit. the robots are totally onto art. it's too late...

xo, math+

8:13 PM  
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8:23 PM  
Blogger vomitingghosts said...

Antonio, you’re reading "The Year of Magical Thinking"? It’s devastating isn’t it? I mistakenly chose to read it while I was traveling with my family last year to visit my sister in Washington DC. I read it at the airport and on the airplane and practically died. Definitely not the right place... but once I started reading it I couldn’t stop. It’s hypnotic, don’t you think? And it’s so beautifully written and articulated. Has anyone else read "The Year of Magical Thinking"? Dennis, have you? If not, you absolutely should. It’s important. It was impossible to hide how shocked I was on the airplane while reading it. I’d read a few pages then had to sit back and stare out at the clouds... I usually can’t concentrate enough to read on planes or buses or with other people around but I was sucked in. Death sucks you in, doesn’t it? Speaking of death, an incredible Maurice Blanchot Day. that passage from "Death Sentence" is really stunning. I haven’t read any of his books but I’m planning to eventually now. So thanks a bunch. Whoa. I’m up way too late right now and putting off planning for tomorrow’s classes. I just don’t know what to do. That’s the hard thing about teaching for me. Planning lessons. So I’m avoiding it until the morning or when I get to school. I’m so dead if I can’t figure out what to do.

Garrison, I feel very similarly about "Irreversible" as you. I watched it alone so I didn’t have anyone to bounce reactions off of but despite being completely in awe of the first half of the movie—especially those first twenty or thirty minutes of chaos in Le Rectum and all of that... wow—I was kind of thrown off by the end. The whole second-half, although really beautiful and tender, left a bad taste in my mouth. I think for some of the same reasons you mentioned. You put it way more eloquently than I can right now, so... But then again, if he’s such a brilliant filmmaker and you trust that, you have to trust that he’s aware of exactly what you’re saying—maybe not consciously or whatever—but the movie brings all that up about what’s underground rising above the surface and taking over, and makes some kind of commentary on it? I mean, the whole “straight” world of the film isn’t exactly kind either... It’s complicated and I’m contradicting myself now thinking about this. Yeah, there’s some complex stuff about pleasure, destruction, alienation and love going on, and definitely about different worlds colliding violently, and for all that it’s a fascinating movie. I don’t remember the last time I was as stunned watching a film. Yeah, movies... I watched "Junebug" this weekend and loved it. Anyone who hasn’t seen it, get going.

What else. I started reading "Spook: Science Tackles the Afterlife" this weekend and it’s great. Thanks again Gregoryedwin. I’m going to keep thanking you and mentioning it on and off as I’m reading it I’m sure. I think all of you’d enjoy it immensely (I am so far) despite the author’s lame writing persona... I mean, she tries to be ridiculously funny and just comes off as trying to hard for the joke. But basically she’s on the hunt to secure empirical proof of the afterlife, though the ending’s pretty obvious: she doesn’t and never will. But, like they say, it’s the journey that counts. And the people she interviews are just... yeah. And her research is enviable. There are chapters about reincarnation, the cult of ectoplasm, mediums, the weight of the soul, and they’re sprinkled with bizarre and beautiful anecdotes from books she’s read and people she’s talked to. For example, when talking about skin conditions purportedly caused by reincarnation, she mentions the influence of a person’s visual surroundings on the birth of a child: “In a famous case detailed by Jan Bondeson in 'A Cabinet of Medical Curiosities,' a thirteenth-century Roman noblewoman gives birth to a boy with fur and claws; the authorities lay blame on an oil painting of a bear on her bedroom wall. The event prompted Pope Martin IV, clearly a tad hysterical, to have all pictures and statues of bears destroyed. Crafty moms tried to work the phenomenon in their favor. In the early 1800s, Bondeson writes, it was common for pregnant noblewomen to be wheeled into the Louvre to spend an hour or so gazing at a portrait of some handsome earl or archduke of yore, in hopes of influencing their unborn progeny.” The book is so full of things like these you just sort of go wow.

I don’t know why I thought I’d share that but it’s just weird and this place is weird, so it fits. Bear boys. What is it about bears that are so fascinating? Dennis, do a bear day. I forgot to mention it a few days ago, but I think a cave day is a spectacular idea. I don’t know anything about the caves of the world but if anyone does, they should step up... Bears live in caves, too; hibernation and all of that. I can’t believe it’s October already: the great ambassador of the two best seasons. The air is cooling off and nature is relaxing. October is the best month of the year because it’s the gateway to the slower months… Winter is just around the corner. I love the snow and am excited about it coming down. Also Halloween’s soon obviously, and my birthday is later in the month, too. Is everyone doing something amazing and garish for Halloween this year? Costumes. I was thinking about it earlier today and came up with the line: “Ghosts dress as me for Halloween.” There’s my genius moment for today. It’s anyone’s since I can’t figure out how to use it. Yeah, it’s even later now so good night and enjoy the rest of your evenings or whatever,

8:24 PM  
Blogger E. D. said...

Garrison:

well, I was going to keep my yapper shut about Noe, but since you paved the way, I'll add my two cents.

Like you, I'm not easily offended. Everything that I had heard about Irreversible made me think that I would love it. Alas, I think it's probably the most offensive movie I've ever seen.

There are so many people that love Noe, and I've tried to rethink and re-see my initial feelings, but I just can't. It doesn't help that I found it overwhelmingly homophobic and misogynistic.

Everyone praises the rape scene as being gritty and realistic and horrifying, but I found it silly and masturbatory. That she is raped by a gay man (well, he doesn't identify himself as such but I think it's obvious) not only seemed laughable to me, but also incredibly homophobic - as if the only thing worse for a person to edure than rape is being ass raped by a gay man.

And given Belluci's practically nonexistant and bubble-headed character, her rape seems more titillation than anything.

I never bought the whole "this is just supposed to represent a subculture" thing, either. Well, where exactly are these bars that cater exclusively to violent gay men who get off on rape and murder?

But I think perhaps the most offensive thing about the film is simply how uncinematic it is. I know there are people who were able to dislike Irreversible, even find it offensive, and still appreciate Noe's directorial abilities. Well, I'm not one of them. His transparency as a director is on full display when he actually introduces a poster of 2001 into the film. How subtle.

So...that's my rant. Sorry, but the film really gets my goat.

Do you all hate me now?

8:30 PM  
Blogger paradigm said...

hey d, i think that both noes films are misgonistic (i stand alone (the scene beating the mother with baby is horrofic) more so than irreversible) but that doesn't mean i don't appreciate what he's attempting to do? (i also think that most men (and i include myself big time here) are mysignostic and noes trying to force men to confront and challenge that within themselves.) i think that the mood of the piece is his artwork and the disorientation of the start of irreversible is what irreversible is all about. i also remember feeling at the time that the ending was weak and the second half petered away. to me noes open and exposing something in the marginalised underworld for the middleclass film going art loving crowd to appreciate. it's exploitative and selling out i guess but well an artist free to open a world to others and create debate and that's what's happened here.

do you think though that noe is actually celebrating rape and violence? i think he condemns it but the only true and best way to do that is to show it full on. do you think that anyone after watching the film is going to go and kill or rape someone?

9:11 PM  
Blogger slatted light said...

Thanks for this day, Dennis, I always like the way you make ‘difficult’ thinkers and artists so attractive and accessible on here, but in a way that doesn’t detract from their creativity or complexity. I remember reading Blanchot for the first time and I was just, I don’t know, utterly mesmerised and confused by him, he’s so full throttle in this measured, deliberate way. I love his style, you’re so right, Dennis, when you say his work is just artistry distilled - singular, ruthless, pure - the writing is minimal but monumental, you know, like each word is an archaeological find or something, a kind of broken, beautiful trace of something lost and larger. I don't know, maybe that’s not it at all, but it feels kind of like that.

It’s strange, though. Blanchot is so meteorically significant but a lot of the time he doesn’t get the enough attention he deserves, or it doesn’t seem like he does, I mean, it’s like he’s mentioned in this background kind of way, spoken of as an ‘KEY INFLUENCE’ on the Great Contemporary Thinkers, sort of gestured at in philosophy courses or critical theory classes, but it’s kind of rare to find him centralised like he should be, especially with his literature, which seems not to get taught. I don’t know, it’s probably because he’s like a philosopher’s philosopher or something, or his prose is so spare and dense it’s unreadable for many, but it seems like there’s a stubborn obscurity which kind of hangs over him, keeps him out of the ranks of real renown (at least in the international, institutional sense), even though he’s pretty much one of the most crucial minds of the twentieth century. This could just be misreading the whole thing though, or reading it too close to my own context, because he was just sort of sidelined in my studies. I don’t know how it is in the US and I imagine in France for example that he is known everywhere.

Actually, just out of curiosity, does you have a favourite Blanchot quote/dictum, Dennis? I know you prefaced Period with probably one of his best worded thoughts ever: Keep watch over absent meaning. Seriously, that could be like your writing’s catchphrase, you should get it printed up on a T-shirt along with a picture of you smiling and some Russian murder-mystery porn and auction that baby off to the highest bidder. Haha. I think my favourite Blanchot moment (out of what I’ve read, anyway) is this fragmentary ‘aside’ in The Writing of the Disaster where Blanchot kind of glimpses the transcendent, and describes it as

Limitless space where a sun would attest not to the day, but to the night delivered of stars.

There’s something about that kind of breathless, lateral moment which is so ambivalent and chilling; the world without limits as being one without stars -- it just seems to speak to everything. Blanchot is cold yeah but he’s really comforting too, don’t you think? It makes me remember another part in that same book where he says:

Let us share eternity in order to make it transitory.

Sharing forever to make it fleeting, to make it human -- seriously, that man knew how to write words that move you places you never knew were there. He’s so, I don’t know, ethical and pure, even though he took his jaunt on the Right, hell, maybe because of it…..Anyway, I guess that’s enough out of me. Thanks again for this day, Dennis, it really was awesome. Take it easy, everyone.

9:16 PM  
Blogger Susan said...

Phew, what a Day. Thank you, Dennis. ...Did you talk to Gary Indiana? Books of his have blown my shit away on more than one occasion.

"I've had the unsettling experience of realizing I wasn't the good guy in a break up with an ex- like I'd thought. Those are good moments, don't you think?" YES.

Mary Gaitskill did a reading / signing near me last week. I wanted to go, since Veronica is so very, very great, but I missed it. The novel affected me so strongly that I was afraid I would cry at the reading. ...I think it was Garrison who made some mildly critical comments about Veronica on here some time ago and I respectfully disagree(d) with them.

Math +inder, it's been a while since Resource Chemicals Day but that shit was INCREDIBLE. Thanks.

10:41 PM  
Blogger paradigm said...

i'm not in all way saying that to condemn rape you have to rape which i realise is what my failed writing may have lead to. what i wanted to say is think that the rape scene in irreversible is as graphic and full on because noe is showing what rape is like and to do that he has to make it somewhat titalating to challenging the viewer. it's like the rape and prostitution scenes in american psycho and the titilation that goes with that. or the paedophilic scenes in dennis's work are they titilating or celebrating that act are they mastubatory. god does this make me seem like a perv or a creep or am i just too understanding?

10:45 PM  
Blogger Susan said...

Keep watch over absent meaning. Seriously, that could be like your writing's catchphrase, you should get it printed up on a T-shirt along with a picture of you smiling and some Russian murder-mystery porn and auction that baby off to the highest bidder. - slatted light

This needs to happen. If no one else steps up, I'll have to make one for myself.

10:53 PM  
Blogger math t said...

__Susan, totally my pleasure. many thanx for mentioning!

luv, math+

10:54 PM  
Blogger Atheist said...

slatted light, it's so great to see you on such good form! love what you wrote etc.
dennis, can i just ask how you're doing at the moment? i'm really hoping that you're not feeling quite so shit as you had been but ... also, i've been thinking about your mum (and dad), i really hope they're both doing ok.
PS re: irreversible - well, i can so understand why people found it offensive. but for me the experience was totally different, i just loved the whole way it was done in reverse like it was taking us back to where everything was new. i don't agree noe is a misogynist - for me the only 'real' character was the female character, all of the other men (gay or straight) were presented as selfish and vengeful and childish. the boyfriend was clearly an arsehole in a lot of ways and the best friend just wanted her for himself. so in that sense the film isn't itself misogynist but is in itself a study of misogyny ... for me the boyfriend and friend in the SM club, well the way i interpreted it noe was totally condemning that sort of act of revenge. particularly since it came at the start of the film rather than at the end, so when you see it is deeply horrifying because you don't know what the fuck it's about. i don't know, those were just my thoughts watching it as a straight female. i guess what i'm trying to say is that i can 'get' why it might be offensive but i don't think that's the only way of interpreting it (at least, that's just not how i felt watching it) ... and i guess that's what really great art is about, right?

11:45 PM  
Blogger hedi said...

Re: Gaspard Noé. I am forever indebted to him for portraying Paris in I Stand Alone as I really experienced it in the 80s. A racist, gloomy sort of place, which is rarely the case in french cinema where more often than not you end up mostly with rancid, nationalistic fantasies like Amelie. But I have to agree with Garrison and d. regarding the failings of "Irreversible." That being said, I think it's more useful to look at it as a great cinematic experience full of sadism and manipulation, like other old style grindhouse pleasures. And these films traditionally always had a strong reactionary and vigilante agendas.

12:25 AM  
Blogger postitbreakup said...

dennis, i thought you might find this interesting (although since you know so much you've probably heard of it before.)

disorder where your senses are crossed.. you can perceive numbers/music as colors or personalities, etc.

"The 20-year-old junior at the University of Maine has synesthesia, a rare neurological condition in which two or more of the senses entwine. Numbers and letters, sensations and emotions, days and months are all associated with colors for Carey.

The letter "N" is sienna brown; "J" is light green; the number "8" is orange; and July is bluish-green.

The pain from a shin split throbs in hues of orange and yellow, purple and red, Carey told LiveScience.

Colors in Carey's world have properties that most of us would never dream of: red is solid, powerful and consistent, while yellow is pliable, brilliant and intense. Chocolate is rich purple and makes Carey’s breath smell dark blue. Confusion is orange."
-- news article

"T’s are generally crabbed, ungenerous creatures. U is a soulless sort of thing. 4 is honest, but… 3 I cannot trust… 9 is dark, a gentleman, tall and graceful, but politic under his suavity"
--snyesthesia at wikipedia

this is not synesthesia, but today is a rusty pail in the mud filled with old rainwater, leaves, dead bugs, and floating plastic army men

pow

1:30 AM  
Blogger Jax said...

Yeah, I liked 'Irreversable' just from the point of view of the fact it made me work - after I worked out what Noe was doing, I mean. Like, 1/4 of the way through, we were still going 'And WHO were those two old guys in the room right at the start, again?':) - and kept me watching. Great device, that, having the most intersting stuff at the start along with the 'why's all this happening?' thing.

The rape was tough, but we got obsessed with someone we thought we saw in the backgtround, at that point (STILL trying to fit in the two old guys in the toom, maybe) so my attention was sort of there and not where it should have been, I suppose:)

Was anyone gay in it?? Never occured to me that just cos the pimp guy ended up in that club or fucked the girl up the arse he was gay. I'm not sure I know how to analyae a film in terms of whether it was homnophobic or not.

Im mean, just watched the wonderful 'Laura' again yeytsreday, on TV? Is THAT homophobic, cos the killer's gay and he gets killed at the end? IS Mr Leidecker gay, in fact? DOES it matter?:)

Man, I love thsat film

1:52 AM  
Blogger lost child said...

oh
i envy time and time hates me
or I love time and time shits on me
but we know
we know
all is vanity
like running after the wind
so as I feel because it is not posible
to
to follow you
to deep
in you
and
world
on you
and wide
on you
my brain
goes
fast
cells speeding
ligth
but time wins
me
time
runs
entropia
ley del mal
ley del bien
ley seca
dry
law
so now
morning running
running
out
of it
like my dose
is finished
and i am
starting
to agonice
and all that with out been able
to
love
you
you you
you

2:31 AM  

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